tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post1498432004362358178..comments2023-04-13T11:42:54.334-04:00Comments on RetroRoleplaying: The Blog: Microlite74 is "better" than Swords & Wizardry?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-75337015776071189502009-04-06T22:40:00.000-04:002009-04-06T22:40:00.000-04:00I'm pretty damn curious myself now too.I'm pretty damn curious myself now too.Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-51115166868358592162009-04-06T22:27:00.000-04:002009-04-06T22:27:00.000-04:00Tom said "Uh oh, now its old school vs old school!...<EM>Tom said "Uh oh, now its old school vs old school! When will the madness end?!"</EM><BR/><BR/>::Cue Billy Joel's<EM> We didn't Start the Fire.</EM>:: Old Schoolers didn't agree on everything back in the 70s so why should we now? LOL.<BR/><BR/><EM>Spike Page said "Which S&W was your group playing? Core Rules or White Box?"</EM><BR/><BR/>Core Rules.<BR/><BR/><EM>Chgowiz said "I have to ask, do you think it's because you ran m74 a lot smoother/better because you built m74, you know m74 and it comes across?"</EM><BR/><BR/>It's possible, but I run S&W just like it was OD&D and I've ran that for more years than M20 (let alone M74) has been in existence. <BR/><BR/>I also wondered if it was player suck up since I wrote M74. However, I'm not sure the players know this as I don't think I've ever mentioned it. They knew I was working on some supplemental rules, of course. <BR/><BR/>What's really weird is this was a playtest session -- to the point I was rewriting some rules on the fly to try to get obviously not working rules to work better. How this could be seen as "more simple" than our S&W sessions is beyond me.<BR/><BR/><EM>"My wife just told me that she doesn't really know the rules - she says she wants to do stuff and I tell her how she has to make it happen (either dice roll or something of that nature) - she doesn't really know the rule mechanics. That was an eye opener."</EM><BR/><BR/>I had a lot of players like that back in the 1970s and early 1980s. They never bought, let alone learned, the rules. They just said what their character was doing and I told them what happened, what they needed to roll, etc. Rules expertise really wasn't needed.<BR/><BR/>These folks generally enjoyed the game -- sometimes more than players who obsessed over the learning the rules.<BR/><BR/>I've emailed folks and asked if they can be a bit more articulate as to why M74 seemed better now that they've had a day or so to think about it.Randallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13879930955049101533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-36698605904244464022009-04-06T19:01:00.000-04:002009-04-06T19:01:00.000-04:00I have to ask, do you think it's because you ran m...I have to ask, do you think it's because you ran m74 a lot smoother/better because you built m74, you know m74 and it comes across?<BR/><BR/>I ask because I know I run m74 and S/W a helluva lot smoother than I run OSRIC/1E - part of that is familiarity, part of that is just experience and preference for rules-light. <BR/><BR/>I switched my family campaign from m74 to S/W about 3 games ago. I just asked my wife which was simpler and I got a complex answer! *laugh* <BR/><BR/>My wife just told me that she doesn't really know the rules - she says she wants to do stuff and I tell her how she has to make it happen (either dice roll or something of that nature) - she doesn't really know the rule mechanics. That was an eye opener.<BR/><BR/>She also said that it seems like the m74 period of our campaign was "simpler" but I also wonder if that's because I hadn't made a lot of options available. She has deal with varying economics, she has a few more options for how to deal with combat and the like. I think I've 'opened the floodgates' so the world has become more complex at the same time I switched from m74 to S/W. She said she really couldn't put her finger on why the m74 period of the campaign seemed simpler.<BR/><BR/>So I'm not sure I'm an accurate reading on why/which is simpler.<BR/><BR/>I don't strongly prefer one over the other as a DM or player. I would easily run either - I'd probably run m74 for people who were more comfortable/familiar with d20 mechanics and S/W for the rest. <BR/><BR/>Now I'm going to have to consider the fact that my wife has been playing for 3 months and doesn't know the rules and yet has enjoyed the game. That's... crazy.Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-39624068318431179282009-04-06T18:07:00.000-04:002009-04-06T18:07:00.000-04:00Which S&W was your group playing? Core Rules o...Which S&W was your group playing? Core Rules or White Box? From my experience with both S&W rules sets, Core is a wee bit more complex than WB. I've not tried MicroLite yet though. <BR/><BR/>And LOL @ Tom! Now we argue over whose school is the oldest, and how we had to walk to the old school uphill both ways in the snow in shoes made of cardboard. :DSpike Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815664834043663899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-20923041246602118222009-04-06T16:34:00.000-04:002009-04-06T16:34:00.000-04:00Haven't had a chance to play either, unfortunately...Haven't had a chance to play either, unfortunately. Still looking for the opportunity! I will tell you that M74 is easier for me to read, since it comes off M20, which plays into my experiences and bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-80562411480658922942009-04-06T15:06:00.000-04:002009-04-06T15:06:00.000-04:00I had never heard of this set of rules. Thanks for...I had never heard of this set of rules. Thanks for pointing it out.Xevenintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14609390831891414670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6707455220399106053.post-46584203634164463302009-04-06T14:48:00.000-04:002009-04-06T14:48:00.000-04:00Uh oh, now its old school vs old school! When will...Uh oh, now its old school vs old school! When will the madness end?! <BR/><BR/>;-)<BR/><BR/>Personally, I feel ALL versions of DnD are FAR more alike then they are different! Blasphemy, I know...<BR/><BR/>game onTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192316280629844659noreply@blogger.com